Monday 16 January 2023

Not likeable

The new film Tár, about the (fictitious) downfall of Lydia Tár, a feted female conductor, has attracted some very odd criticism. In particular that such a predatory and abusive character should have been portrayed as a man and not a woman, and that the character "isn't likeable".

Good grief. When did characters in movies (or TV dramas or books) have to be likeable? If that was the case, hundreds of movies and books would have to be pulped immediately. Mean and nasty characters are commonplace, from Hannibal Lecter to Lord Voldemort to Humbert Humbert.

Fictional characters aren't meant to be likeable. Crazy or mysterious or plain horrible but not necessarily likeable. In children's books perhaps but not in adult reading.

The other gripe some people have about fictional characters is that they're not "realistic". Heaven help us. If you want realistic, you should be heading for the mass media, not books or movies. In any case, one person's realistic is another's totally incredible, so you can't win on that one.

One criticism I would share is the objection to gratuitous violence. People recoiled from Bonnie and Clyde because of its graphic savagery. The New York Times complained that the movie's brutal killings were "pointless and lacking in taste". The suggestion of violence, or simply a powerful sense of menace, can be just as effective as explicit violence.

But I guess daft criticism, like poverty, is always with us.

Pic: Cate Blanchett as Lydia Tár

25 comments:

  1. I haven't seen the movie, only a couple of clips, but part of the problem may be that (unlike Voldemort or Lecter) she's not an unambiguous villain. From what I've heard, the character is depicted as genuinely talented and deserving of her reputation. Some simple-minded people get very antsy at seeing a character with positive traits or a record of achievement also being depicted with negative traits, as if doing so somehow endorsed the latter.

    Of course, that isn't realistic. We can see from actual history that quite a few people with great artistic talent, or who made major contributions to science, were unpleasant on a personal level. The world isn't a black-and-white morality play and shouldn't be portrayed as such.

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    1. Infidel: Indeed, many many famous artists, innovators etc are/were unpleasant in their personal lives. That doesn't invalidate their work, it just means you have a more complete picture of them.

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  2. I don't know anything about the film, but I like what Infidel753 said. Opposing character traits do seem to throw some people for a loop. Things like Hitler loving animals. Why do people have such issues with it? It's all black and white with the cancel culture society we live in.

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    1. Bijoux: Yes, some people pop a gasket when they discover the seamy side of someone's character. But there's no such thing as a flawless human being.

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  3. Lots of unlikeable characters in children's books as well. The evil stepmother. The wicked witch. The troll under the bridge. Etc. The difference may be that children's books often are intended to teach us how to deal with those unlikeable people.
    Linda Sand

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    1. Linda: Very true. Characters in children's books are often far from saintly. The obvious example being Grimm's Fairy Tales.

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  4. One can chose not to see a film. One can leave, ask for a refund. See the film and trash it. Or see it and have decent, intelligent discussions with like minded people.

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    1. Joanne: Absolutely, why not just have an intelligent conversation about the film. And that doesn't mean wanting characters that conform to some preconception such as likeability.

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  5. If people need realistic characters here is a list of abusive and predatory women all despots wives.
    Imelda Marco
    Michèle Duvalier
    Leila Ven Ali
    Dew Sukarno
    Lucia Pinochet
    Asma al Assad
    Margot Honecker
    Nicolae Ceaucescu
    Mao, Bokassa and and and .... I could continue.
    All "ladies" of terror.
    We should stop to consider women as gentle and sweet creatures by nature.
    Hannah
    Ps: Tàr will come in our cinemas end of february. I will go to see it because 2 of my favorite actresses are part of it the wonderful Nina Hoss and Cate Blanchett.

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    1. Hannah: Oh, very good. A wonderful list. Of course women aren't necessarily gentle and sweet. They can be just as grasping and ruthless and vindictive as men. Margaret Thatcher comes to mind.
      Jenny and I are planning to see Tár at the weekend. I might even do another blog post on the film.

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    2. Thatcher was a good friend of Pinochet which says it all. I have a profound despite for all those persons , we learnt norhing cause the horror continuos.
      Hannah

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    3. Hannah: It certainly does. Her ruthless closure of coal mines and indifference to the collapse of manufacturing are her awful legacy. Despite? Do you mean contempt?

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    4. Yes contempt. My English starts to be not good at all. Sorry.
      Hannah

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    5. Hannah: No worries. English must be very hard to learn - especially all the variations in pronunciation.

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  6. What sort of mentality thinks that a predatory character should be a man? Plenty of unpleasant women about.

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    1. Fly: Someone who persistently idealises women and ignores all evidence to the contrary.

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  7. Soz! I am behind - I keep meaning to read the reviews of this film - I will watch it, as the little that has hit my radar sounds fascinating.
    Yes, I was puzzled as to why it seemed that critics were upset by a mean woman being the central character.
    Sx

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    1. Ms Scarlet: It's a long film (2 hours 38 minutes) but it looks like it's worth watching. Yes, why is a mean woman such a big deal? I suspect some sort of political correctness.

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  8. Nick, nothing to do with your post but let us go down memory lane , as you like Rock.music , you will have a thought for Janis Joplin , who would have been her 80 birthday today , I had the big , big chance to see her in 1967 in Monterey. It was an emotional earthquake. I think especially on october 4th of her it's my birthday and the day she was found dead.
    Hannah

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    1. Hannah: Janis was amazing, but she was another rock musician who succumbed to excess of one kind or another - drugs, alcohol, promiscuity etc. - and died of a heroin overdose. For some reason I never saw her live.

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  9. That's the tragedy. Amy Winehouse the latest young victim of all this .

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    1. Hannah: I love her album Frank. Another promising life cut short far too early. From what I gather, Blake Fielder-Civil was a very bad influence on her.

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  10. Amy Winehouse, this fragile young woman makes me sometimes cry, her vouce so full of emotions , probably a certain number of persons had a very bad influence on her.
    Hannah
    I wish you a nice day.

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  11. we live in a world where people want to bury their heads in the sand rather than work to help...

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  12. Daal: Very true. People often screen out what's happening in the rest of the world.

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