tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post8371724966380078767..comments2024-03-28T07:49:04.960+00:00Comments on nickhereandnow: Trigger happynickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10472673041193755894noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-67158118618000498402017-08-25T08:35:15.805+01:002017-08-25T08:35:15.805+01:00Jenny: Indeed, the entire internet needs copious t...Jenny: Indeed, the entire internet needs copious trigger warnings about all the horrendous things that are posted! As you say, people seem to be strangely dumb. If they're upset by something, so what? Either ignore it or sign up for therapy. Demanding advance notice of anything potentially distressing is really over-the-top. And the trigger warning might still omit the one thing that totally freaks you out.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-16110027394602853852017-08-24T22:06:19.324+01:002017-08-24T22:06:19.324+01:00I don't understand it either. And yet there is...I don't understand it either. And yet there is the most awful prejudice and horrible obscenity around on the internet, it's as if people don't know what to think or do. Jenny Woolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16881781466502273314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-29707582784837474132017-08-23T19:22:22.333+01:002017-08-23T19:22:22.333+01:00Agent: I haven't read any excerpts, but I'...Agent: I haven't read any excerpts, but I'll take your word for it that it's pornography.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-11164311843162856202017-08-23T16:41:10.395+01:002017-08-23T16:41:10.395+01:00But Nick, even if you just read the excerpts, it i...But Nick, even if you just read the excerpts, it is clearly pornography. Secret Agent Womanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07564690116156754219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-57403106456774006782017-08-23T12:52:19.814+01:002017-08-23T12:52:19.814+01:00Joared: Yes, a summary of content would be a good ...Joared: Yes, a summary of content would be a good alternative. If students are likely to be traumatised by so much course material, you wonder why they signed up for the course in the first place.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-13508812912311307592017-08-23T09:16:35.437+01:002017-08-23T09:16:35.437+01:00My initial reaction is trigger warnings really sho...My initial reaction is trigger warnings really shouldn't be necessary by the time students are in college -- just a summary of content.. Might as well be aware of what's prevalent in the culture. How an instructor presents the material matter-of-factly without promotion surely would be important. joaredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09999395062839739698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-65051847082968633732017-08-22T07:30:55.930+01:002017-08-22T07:30:55.930+01:00Agent: But surely if you're serious about trig...Agent: But surely if you're serious about trigger warnings, there are so many things that might emotionally trigger a person, the warnings would become voluminous. It seems more sensible just to be aware that whatever you're watching or reading might at some point be disturbing and you should be prepared for that.<br /><br />I agree, it does seem like pure pornography. But I haven't read it, so I can't really say.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-90012406728987611642017-08-22T00:05:22.562+01:002017-08-22T00:05:22.562+01:00In general, I don't care for censorship. I don...In general, I don't care for censorship. I don't have a problem with trigger warnings, though. Why object to letting people know what they're in for?<br /><br />But this particular book sounds like full-on pornography to me. And pornography generally demeans women and contributes to a rape culture. Secret Agent Womanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07564690116156754219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-49323028634650251262017-08-21T07:09:39.988+01:002017-08-21T07:09:39.988+01:00John: It IS worrying. If any academic material tha...John: It IS worrying. If any academic material that offended or upset someone or other was quietly put aside, there wouldn't be much left to study. The degree course would be over in a week!Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-35542672387951049642017-08-20T23:48:39.197+01:002017-08-20T23:48:39.197+01:00Good point nick it is worryingGood point nick it is worryingJohn Going Gentlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14958171262765033946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-57459295042025814642017-08-17T22:24:02.016+01:002017-08-17T22:24:02.016+01:00www: I've heard so much about young men's ...www: I've heard so much about young men's sexuality being totally warped by endless exposure to porn. Porn is thoroughly nasty and misogynistic. As you say, I gather it's now normal to ask for anal sex, blow jobs, and other weird types of sex that most women get zero pleasure from.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-39020575691837452532017-08-17T21:35:44.622+01:002017-08-17T21:35:44.622+01:00Oh gawd, why did I think "manpole" in Sc...Oh gawd, why did I think "manpole" in Scarlet's comment. Let me have a minute to recover.<br /><br />OK. No books should be censored for fear of offence. We are squeamish on sex but not on graphic violence.<br /><br />I will weigh in on the derail of porn in that it has been proven that the young, who have ready access to all porn on the internet, have become desensitized, particularly young men who make incredibly repugnant demands on the young women they meet. I believe this, knowing some who have harrowing stories to tell about "normalized" sex demands. "Everyone has anal" as an example and worse.<br /><br />XO<br />WWWWisewebwomanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15281689872840844191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-46819259832245048342017-08-17T15:55:36.603+01:002017-08-17T15:55:36.603+01:00Scarlet: I'm sure our rulers would love to see...Scarlet: I'm sure our rulers would love to see a population that drank only ginger beer and read only Enid Blyton. How easy their life would be! Damn, I didn't have an uncle who owned an island either. My childhood was seriously depleted.<br /><br />We can't possibly expose innocent uni students to maypoles of an enormous standard. They could be horribly corrupted.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-25795829828294813592017-08-17T15:22:22.619+01:002017-08-17T15:22:22.619+01:00“maypole[s] of so enormous a standard” appear to b...<i>“maypole[s] of so enormous a standard” appear to be proving too much for university students.</i><br /><br />I imagine they piss themselves laughing!!! I know my classmates would have!!<br />SXMs Scarlethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00449626572478125088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-31343153408784721062017-08-17T15:17:18.580+01:002017-08-17T15:17:18.580+01:00*returns to sipping ginger beer and reading Enid B...*returns to sipping ginger beer and reading Enid Blyton*<br /><br />To be fair Enid Blyton has a lot to answer for. I was always a bit miffed that I didn't have an Uncle who owned an island.... and I don't really like ginger beer.... why doesn't store brand orange squash ever feature in any of her novels?????<br />As for romance novels.... I think I could take offence to them if pushed.<br />Sx Ms Scarlethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00449626572478125088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-12963303632168123182017-08-17T14:56:15.264+01:002017-08-17T14:56:15.264+01:00Kylie: I agree, that seems like a more sensible ap...Kylie: I agree, that seems like a more sensible approach. A bit like the old saying about TV - "If you don't like it, you can always turn it off".Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-62470528357599706332017-08-17T12:13:26.343+01:002017-08-17T12:13:26.343+01:00Lots of people have birth related trauma, my job i...Lots of people have birth related trauma, my job is to try to make sure there is less opportunity for it to develop.<br />I thought it was interesting that instead of trying to avoid triggers, this particular group had a policy of just saying "don't be here if you can't handle it" <br />Whoever made that policy had balls (or ovaries)kyliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08964475783207438103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-29887153033085514032017-08-16T08:08:10.367+01:002017-08-16T08:08:10.367+01:00I've emailed the Telegraph, asking them if the...I've emailed the Telegraph, asking them if their story about Professor Hawley banning Fanny Hill is actually true or not. They probably won't reply.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-24926283022559921692017-08-16T08:06:50.062+01:002017-08-16T08:06:50.062+01:00Kylie: You might be right about traumatised indivi...Kylie: You might be right about traumatised individuals being set off by just about anything. All sorts of things could be triggers - death, grief, murder, terrorism, you name it. To avoid all conceivable triggers would be impossible. When even talking about birth is seen as potentially triggering, things are getting a bit out of hand.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-35257523731250204742017-08-16T08:00:57.934+01:002017-08-16T08:00:57.934+01:00Jean: All the publicity is having the usual uninte...Jean: All the publicity is having the usual unintended effect of arousing people's curiosity in Fanny Hill. I almost want to read it myself, just to see what all the fuss is about.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-81971902262758308742017-08-16T07:59:12.524+01:002017-08-16T07:59:12.524+01:00Bijoux: A world with neither kid gloves or sucking...Bijoux: A world with neither kid gloves or sucking it up would be a great relief, but as you say people seem to be going to ever greater extremes. You may be right about the effect of graphic descriptions on readers who have suffered from something similar. But then again, so many of us have been traumatised by one thing or another, avoiding all exposure to possibly triggering descriptions could be a never-ending task.<br /><br />A choice of books and small-group discussions is an interesting idea.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-5890736618607569572017-08-16T07:48:53.559+01:002017-08-16T07:48:53.559+01:00Treey: We probably could get by without the sex. B...Treey: We probably could get by without the sex. But why is it such an issue in the first place?Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-59258516213753297802017-08-16T06:15:54.955+01:002017-08-16T06:15:54.955+01:00I can't comment on the book but I will say tha...I can't comment on the book but I will say that I have heard a lot about trigger warnings lately. It seems that universities the world over are having to issue trigger warnings for all kinds of issues in all kinds of courses. I want to be sensitive to people's varied experiences of life and the potential for any of us to unintentionally cause pain at any moment. having said all of that, I tend to think that anyone who needs a trigger warning is probably traumatised to the point that any random event might set them off and is possibly not ready for immersion in the world.<br /><br />I recently saw a disclaimer in a birth group that said something along the lines of " we talk about birth here and we talk about it in all the ways it happens. If discussion of any aspect of birth is potentially triggering for you, you might like to find a different group"kyliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08964475783207438103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-15406908539332265692017-08-16T04:36:25.088+01:002017-08-16T04:36:25.088+01:00Being clueless, I had to look it up. Here's a...Being clueless, I had to look it up. Here's a review at Goodreads:<br /><br />"Fanny Hill, also known as Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure, has been a notorious novel since it first appeared in London in 1748-9. Banned for its "obscene" content, this fictional account of a young woman's unconventional route to middle-class respectability is, in fact, a lively and engaging comic romp through the boudoirs and brothels of Augustan England, with a heroine whose adventures and setbacks never lessen her humanity or her determination to find real love and happiness. Fanny's story offers modern readers sensuality and substance, as well as an unusually frank depiction of love and sex in the eighteenth century."<br /><br />It doesn't sound so bad, though I'll cheerfully skip it. CheerfulMonkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00934008738777906970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-21151499821727685082017-08-16T03:57:39.194+01:002017-08-16T03:57:39.194+01:00I didn't mean to go off topic with the porn as...I didn't mean to go off topic with the porn aspect. Whether the article is 'fake news' or not, book censorship is worthy of discussion. I do wonder how healthy it is for someone who has been in therapy for abuse or rape to be required to read a book that depicts those acts in a graphic manner. I hope Agent weighs in on this.<br /><br />In a perfect world, a professor would give a choice of books and the students could facilitate the discussions in small groups.<br /><br />Can we just live in a world without extreme attitudes of either having to treat everyone with kid gloves or telling people to suck it up? I'd like to find some middle ground, but the world seems to be headed in the opposite direction.Bijouxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05788630004051883635noreply@blogger.com