tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post6284876512433199733..comments2024-03-28T07:49:04.960+00:00Comments on nickhereandnow: Slut Walkingnickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10472673041193755894noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-55950662781261107412011-05-24T22:51:24.057+01:002011-05-24T22:51:24.057+01:00Blackwater - It's the old double standard, isn...Blackwater - It's the old double standard, isn't it? Men want women to be promiscuous and available, but then when they are, they're dimissed as sluts.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-63183167111431648542011-05-24T20:49:41.633+01:002011-05-24T20:49:41.633+01:00Yes - suppose you're right - zebra crossing an...Yes - suppose you're right - zebra crossing analogy not exact.<br />Re those mates - yes, really.Uninhibited but in the context of moral disapproval - i.e. that's what they're used to and it adds spice - while at the same time resenting the disapproval or restrictions on women's behaviour.<br />(Or something... You'd have to ask them.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-26856693667209902322011-05-22T08:52:18.107+01:002011-05-22T08:52:18.107+01:00Secret Agent - I think in most of the UK slut has ...Secret Agent - I think in most of the UK slut has both meanings. Interesting that a woman used the word about her son.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-69401241823843260472011-05-22T00:52:08.318+01:002011-05-22T00:52:08.318+01:00Macy's first comment makes me think that there...Macy's first comment makes me think that there me some cultural differences in the word. Slut never means a poor housekeeper in the states - it is used the way whore is used - a woman is is extremely promiscuous. Actually, a patient said to me last week when talking about her son's many girlfriends, "My son's a slut."secret agent womanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03763879283931347382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-87319676151349751342011-05-20T08:30:59.597+01:002011-05-20T08:30:59.597+01:00Macy - Indeed, clothes send out all sorts of messa...Macy - Indeed, clothes send out all sorts of messages. But eye-catching clothes aren't the same as "provocative" clothes. The word provocative immediately implies that she's up for it. It's a loaded word with a very male meaning.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-58098174221727697822011-05-20T08:24:31.035+01:002011-05-20T08:24:31.035+01:00Macy - As usual? Surely not? As you say, the real ...Macy - As usual? Surely not? As you say, the real problem is attitudes to women and what's read into their behaviour, not any particular word. And yes, I think there are far worse words than slut.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-52564540905961917262011-05-20T08:18:10.833+01:002011-05-20T08:18:10.833+01:00Oh and whilst I'm at it, I'm with Baino. ...Oh and whilst I'm at it, I'm with Baino. <br />We send out messages with the way we dress. Isn't that the point of clothes?<br />Obviously nobody should get raped because of how they dress, not least because tarts do not give it away for free.... but anyone wearing provocative clothes is asking to be noticed, and judged. That's the point of wearing those clothes....Macyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16117141586263456823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-80537619287145037192011-05-20T08:10:52.939+01:002011-05-20T08:10:52.939+01:00Sigh... as ususal I'm in the minority here. I...Sigh... as ususal I'm in the minority here. I don't see the word slut as being particularly bad. Roundabout here it usually means a woman who's a bit loose on housekeeping rather than morals. It's a jokey word.<br />The word's not the problem. Attitudes to "dirty" women, of whatever variety, are.Macyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16117141586263456823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-71300658504456027672011-05-19T21:34:56.252+01:002011-05-19T21:34:56.252+01:00Wendy - I won't try to plough through all the ...Wendy - I won't try to plough through all the research on the subject, but how predictable that in that particular study men rated the women as more sexy and seductive than women did.<br /><br />But the real problem is that so many men imagine a sexual invitation where none exists.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-90155644485231271062011-05-19T19:56:56.420+01:002011-05-19T19:56:56.420+01:00Nick - if you can wade through the turgid, if prec...Nick - if you can wade through the turgid, if precise, academic style of this article, some <a title="text" href="http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1559-1816.1987.tb00304.x/abstract" rel="nofollow">social psychologists have tried to answer your exact question</a><br /><br />A quick web search shows a diversity of different research methods and descriptions tackling your question. I suspect there's a PhD thesis in the answering it!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00757043386749543250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-76390549469325678982011-05-19T13:32:45.507+01:002011-05-19T13:32:45.507+01:00Baino - Even if a woman is dressed like a prostitu...Baino - Even if a woman is dressed like a prostitute (supposedly), it still isn't an invitation to sexual attack. But I can understand you being a bit nervous about Clare seeming to invite too much undesirable attention.<br /><br />Why pick and choose which issues to pursue? Why not pursue them all? It's called multi-tasking, lol. Asking men to accept rape as their responsibility not the woman's seems like a big issue to me.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-52095925826763499572011-05-19T11:28:09.625+01:002011-05-19T11:28:09.625+01:00Ok I'm going to be a little 'old fashioned...Ok I'm going to be a little 'old fashioned' here despite my feminist leanings. My daughter once dressed to go to a club and frankly, looked like a woman of the streets (not that I have anything against sex workers but they dress that way for a reason). I made her change before she left. Now, Nick, you know me. I'm as liberal as they come but a 'slut' is by definition a dirty, unmethodical person and celebrating that as a woman? Not on my agenda. There is no excuse for the sexual exploitation of women based on dress, or appearance, or a number of other things but taking it to the streets? I think women have bigger issues to tackle frankly . .the glass ceiling, equal pay, battling misogyny, access to abortion, . . Today's feminists seem to have lost the plot (Jenny's gonna kill me I suspect!)Bainohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14156193098088048637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-24424438710714209932011-05-19T08:41:46.779+01:002011-05-19T08:41:46.779+01:00Secret Agent - Ditto Americanese! I was baffled by...Secret Agent - Ditto Americanese! I was baffled by the word "ho" for a while.<br /><br />I dislike the words bitch and c*** as well, but I think maybe slut is more malleable. What's really detestable is when women use the word slut against other women.<br /><br />Wendy - Intriguing point. Do female dress styles stress sexiness or is that just what other people read into them? Does a miniskirt make you a sex object or just a woman in a miniskirt?<br /><br />But you're right about "slut" being a symptom of something much deeper - i.e. misogyny.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-901815373384465132011-05-19T06:45:14.263+01:002011-05-19T06:45:14.263+01:00People should be able to choose how they dress.
W...People should be able to choose how they dress.<br /><br />Why is there a strong promotion of dress styles that emphasize female, even child, sexual objectificitation?<br /><br />It's this promotion I'd like to see tackled, 'slut' is just a word that describes its symptons. Treating a sympton doesn't cure the diseaseAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00757043386749543250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-78222699000484446912011-05-19T02:33:41.753+01:002011-05-19T02:33:41.753+01:00Slags? Slappers? Everytime I come here, there ar...Slags? Slappers? Everytime I come here, there are words I don't know the meaning of.<br /><br />I'm very much in favor of protesting blaming victims for their attacks. Obviously when a man rapes a woman, it is 100% his fault. But I don't think every word can be neutralized just by using it. I do not want to own the word slut or bitch or the c-word that makes me cringe. I think women can empower themselves without accepting hate words.secret agent womanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03763879283931347382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-28494989770024913492011-05-18T22:10:22.517+01:002011-05-18T22:10:22.517+01:00Myra - Which you've cunningly ducked! Well, it...Myra - Which you've cunningly ducked! Well, it's obvious really, isn't it. Men are of course in thrall to rampant, uncontrollable sexual urges so their promiscuity is natural and excusable....Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-51097947016772424872011-05-18T22:00:24.904+01:002011-05-18T22:00:24.904+01:00"And why are women referred to in such aggres..."And why are women referred to in such aggressive terms as sluts, slags, slappers and tarts, when men who bed every woman in town are affectionately known as womanisers, seducers, or libertines?"<br /><br />The age old question.....nursemyrahttp://nursemyra.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-29565296188724446342011-05-18T19:34:27.134+01:002011-05-18T19:34:27.134+01:00W3 - Great that a family member helped set up the ...W3 - Great that a family member helped set up the original march. Yes, I think feminists who're attacking other feminists over whether the word slut is reclaimable or not are just being pointlessly obstructive.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-71218113762472429672011-05-18T19:28:25.221+01:002011-05-18T19:28:25.221+01:00Blackwater - Not quite the same as a pedestrian cr...Blackwater - Not quite the same as a pedestrian crossing. The car driver's not going to say you were "asking for it". And they'd be horrified by what happened.<br /><br />The thing is that a woman really can't win over this. Whatever she wears, however she behaves, some man is always going to say she's gagging for sex. Even women in dowdy, unflattering clothes get raped.<br /><br />Interesting that you have friends who would be annoyed if the word slut was more neutral!Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-43682681996194717052011-05-18T17:41:44.320+01:002011-05-18T17:41:44.320+01:00A family member was instrumental in setting up the...A family member was instrumental in setting up the original march and the backlash has been extreme from other feminists and from men who jumped aboard the word but not in a good way.<br />The victim blaming has got to stop and feminists are tearing themselves apart from within.<br />I would rather see more unity. As I keep saying, they are worse off now than when I was marching in the seventies. Regression. Yes.<br />XO<br />WWWWisewebwomanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15281689872840844191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-34423627576602550212011-05-18T17:12:18.993+01:002011-05-18T17:12:18.993+01:00Anyone trying to shift the blame on to the victim ...Anyone trying to shift the blame on to the victim is clearly wrong. Shame it's still happening.<br />Not sure about reclaiming slut though. Some people - men or women - are proud of or not bothered about behaving in a sluttish way. But that doesn't stop it being edgy at best or derogatory at worst. I can imagine friends of mine being annoyed if the term was neutralised.<br />And anyway - being a slut or not is beside the point - no justification for being attacked.<br />Naturally I'd advise anyone to weight up their options whenever they go out into the world. They be cautious or throw it to the wind, or somewhere in between. A bit like stepping out in front of a speeding car on a zebra crossing. The car should stop. The law, decency, morality all say the car should stop. You have the right of way. But if it hits you - you'll be dead or hurt - as well as in the right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-17586358933347232942011-05-18T17:08:12.428+01:002011-05-18T17:08:12.428+01:00Ramana - It would indeed. Inappropriate according ...Ramana - It would indeed. Inappropriate according to whom? A man looking for an excuse? And provocative implies exactly that, that the woman is "provoking" the man by whatever she happens to be wearing.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-69712101223781279462011-05-18T15:25:25.326+01:002011-05-18T15:25:25.326+01:00Nick, supposing he had said, "inappropriately...Nick, supposing he had said, "inappropriately, or, provocatively dressed", what do you think would have happened? I suspect that it would still have generated the same reaction. It would still mean that the blame is shifted on to the woman.Rummuserhttp://www.rummuser.comnoreply@blogger.com