tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post5652286503732859139..comments2024-03-28T07:49:04.960+00:00Comments on nickhereandnow: Locked innickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10472673041193755894noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-24703604661936425312012-08-25T21:02:41.958+01:002012-08-25T21:02:41.958+01:00Paul: Temporary locked-in syndrome? I hadn't h...Paul: Temporary locked-in syndrome? I hadn't heard of that. It was certainly an extraordinary recovery from near total paralysis.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-11416955664546335592012-08-25T19:28:25.628+01:002012-08-25T19:28:25.628+01:00I had the good fortune to be chatting to Richard M...I had the good fortune to be chatting to Richard Marsh recently - does seem almost miraculous. Though there is sometimes temporary locked-in syndrome after a stroke. That may be what he had. Interesting friendly guy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-81030699136201205012012-08-15T16:58:20.664+01:002012-08-15T16:58:20.664+01:00John: I feel a bit better informed on the subject ...John: I feel a bit better informed on the subject than I was a few days ago!Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-74272771949843070742012-08-15T15:10:37.597+01:002012-08-15T15:10:37.597+01:00yes.... it's commonly called "withdrawing...yes.... it's commonly called "withdrawing" on a patient...ie let nature take it's courseJohn Going Gentlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14958171262765033946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-89358173242366837572012-08-15T12:53:24.310+01:002012-08-15T12:53:24.310+01:00John: I see. So in those cases it's not so muc...John: I see. So in those cases it's not so much a question of "switching off life support" but of withdrawing the drugs?Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-56866784513838314382012-08-15T12:16:54.284+01:002012-08-15T12:16:54.284+01:00so nick just to add one thing.... often with serio...so nick just to add one thing.... often with seriously ill people that are deteriorating, medications are often used to keep vital systems going. these can be given in huge quantities and strengths and when "enough is enough" so to speak, the pumps that are administering these medications may be switched off. often this then results in the body systems crashing ...some times immediately<br />I hope thing perhaps are a little clearer!<br />xJohn Going Gentlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14958171262765033946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-73495444105803134922012-08-15T12:03:59.605+01:002012-08-15T12:03:59.605+01:00Speccy: That's unfortunate, if you rely on a b...Speccy: That's unfortunate, if you rely on a blink test. Which is why a number of different tests should be used, I guess.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-45692306424174832002012-08-15T11:06:03.596+01:002012-08-15T11:06:03.596+01:00My mother (who was terminally ill, but reasonably ...My mother (who was terminally ill, but reasonably switched on) would have failed a blink test; one of her symptoms was that she couldn't open her eyes properly. There's always another variable I suppose...speccyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12910768878700620483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-41258300564413895732012-08-14T17:22:25.812+01:002012-08-14T17:22:25.812+01:00Ah, I'm a bit clearer now, John, thanks. I'...Ah, I'm a bit clearer now, John, thanks. I'm glad to hear cases like this one are very rare. And I'm glad to hear there are usually physiological reactions.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-13938433982854823812012-08-14T16:20:38.623+01:002012-08-14T16:20:38.623+01:00no nick the ventilator just delivers air oxygen an...no nick the ventilator just delivers air oxygen and the "support" it gives the patient will be minimal (basically it gives near enough atmospheric pressure)<br />there are clear guidelines a set of medics have to perform to ascertain if the patient is brain dead...cases like the one you describe are very rare indeed,<br />and usually physiological reactions to painful stimuli do still occur<br />John Going Gentlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14958171262765033946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-35773311243423648332012-08-14T07:45:26.964+01:002012-08-14T07:45:26.964+01:00Jenny: I suppose reflex tests are not quite the sa...Jenny: I suppose reflex tests are not quite the same as tests of mental functioning or ability to communicate.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-60097427468487507612012-08-13T21:31:05.292+01:002012-08-13T21:31:05.292+01:00I thought there was a "test" - they do v...I thought there was a "test" - they do various reflex tests I know before deciding whether someone is past help. Jenny Woolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16881781466502273314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-39871814657938110732012-08-13T21:08:13.139+01:002012-08-13T21:08:13.139+01:00Liz - I'd love to know exactly why his wife wa...Liz - I'd love to know exactly why his wife was so resistant, but the article doesn't explain. She must have just sensed something.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-19292880752645301972012-08-13T19:49:39.912+01:002012-08-13T19:49:39.912+01:00That must have been a nightmare. It's amazing ...That must have been a nightmare. It's amazing that with all our incredible technology we can't work out whether the brain is alive or not. Thank goodness his wife persisted.Liz Hindshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04646532093872561703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-21368202237127768582012-08-13T16:03:41.002+01:002012-08-13T16:03:41.002+01:00Ramana: I would have thought a simple test of that...Ramana: I would have thought a simple test of that sort would have been devised many years ago, to avoid just such a huge miscalculation.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-49872003662490489602012-08-13T15:17:32.121+01:002012-08-13T15:17:32.121+01:00That must have been a traumatic experience for the...That must have been a traumatic experience for the patient, listening to talk being unable to communicate his being alive. I sure wouldn't like to be in that situation!<br /><br />Medicine as practiced now is certainly dependent on a lot of unnecessary tests and procedures but why a test to ensure that someone is beyond bringing back cannot be devised is beyond me!Rummuserhttp://www.rummuser.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-78651430179476841592012-08-13T14:05:47.965+01:002012-08-13T14:05:47.965+01:00Scarlet: I think my worst nightmare would be burni...Scarlet: I think my worst nightmare would be burning to death or being tortured to death. I've never experienced lucid dreaming. It sounds a bit like those dreams where you're trying to run away from someone but your legs won't move.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-22072211496402419072012-08-13T13:43:57.679+01:002012-08-13T13:43:57.679+01:00My worst nightmare. This and being buried alive.
I...My worst nightmare. This and being buried alive.<br />I have experienced lucid dreaming - where your brain is awake, but you can't move your body - it's very strange... and also interesting.<br />SxMs Scarlethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00449626572478125088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-61974024308022041122012-08-13T07:41:04.411+01:002012-08-13T07:41:04.411+01:00www - I didn't, but I know of the film, which ...www - I didn't, but I know of the film, which was referred to in the Guardian piece.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-14426718283486816062012-08-13T00:29:24.617+01:002012-08-13T00:29:24.617+01:00Did you see "The Diving Bell and the Butterfl...Did you see "The Diving Bell and the Butterfly", Nick?<br /><br />Exactly what you're talking about.<br /><br />You would like it.<br /><br />XO<br />WWWWisewebwomanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15281689872840844191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-932839307228344482012-08-12T23:42:19.742+01:002012-08-12T23:42:19.742+01:00John - Are you saying the ventilator is always swi...John - Are you saying the ventilator is always switched off gradually rather than instantly?Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-32605361929106264902012-08-12T22:13:08.843+01:002012-08-12T22:13:08.843+01:00if someone is on a ventilator then the vent settin...if someone is on a ventilator then the vent settings are reduced to near enough to normal "air" levels<br />it is falsehood to think things are just ended at the flick of a switchJohn Going Gentlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14958171262765033946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-17644137237463352742012-08-12T22:05:17.289+01:002012-08-12T22:05:17.289+01:00John - Well, as a nurse you obviously know about a...John - Well, as a nurse you obviously know about all this. But I'm always reading about someone's life support being switched off. So how do you mean it's never switched off?Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-40950766460993889992012-08-12T20:32:03.105+01:002012-08-12T20:32:03.105+01:00just to let you know
life support is NEVER switche...just to let you know<br />life support is NEVER switched off in any case....<br />settings on a ventilator say are switched to as near "atmospheric" levels as possible<br />it just bugs me when emotive phrases such as "switch off" are usedJohn Going Gentlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14958171262765033946noreply@blogger.com