tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post3013294310720343431..comments2024-03-28T07:49:04.960+00:00Comments on nickhereandnow: A tight fitnickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10472673041193755894noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-6362805161111044782015-09-30T19:35:12.396+01:002015-09-30T19:35:12.396+01:00Liz: Why this fixation on things like skirt length...Liz: Why this fixation on things like skirt length and hair colour? It's got nothing to do with education, it's just some outmoded idea of "decorum" or "respectability". And do uniforms prevent early morning arguments or do they just cause new arguments about whether your daughter (and it's usually a daughter) is complying with the school dress code?Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-37037180700714755582015-09-30T16:48:16.144+01:002015-09-30T16:48:16.144+01:00And on the subject of school uniform generally I s...And on the subject of school uniform generally I say yes. Prevents no end of early morning arguments.Liz Hindshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04646532093872561703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-58024699483538746112015-09-30T16:46:06.461+01:002015-09-30T16:46:06.461+01:00Prefects used to come round with tape measures to ...Prefects used to come round with tape measures to check skirt length in my grammar school days then in her senior school Daughter was admonished for the colour of her hair.Liz Hindshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04646532093872561703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-76012668925870324532015-09-28T12:11:26.720+01:002015-09-28T12:11:26.720+01:00Jenny: Interesting line of thought! You might very...Jenny: Interesting line of thought! You might very well be right that rebellion over uniform will avoid rebellion on the more serious issues like doing homework. On the other hand, any dyed-in-the-wool mavericks may just rebel on everything that comes their way!Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-75541264009423410602015-09-28T11:38:40.697+01:002015-09-28T11:38:40.697+01:00I think it's a good idea to have strict rules ...I think it's a good idea to have strict rules over school dress. Teenagers need to rebel about something and it's good if they can be rebelling about the length of their skirts etc. rather than using that time to rebel about doing their homework. If they can win a small concession on the uniform, they are likely to be happier about agreeing to do something else. Jenny Woolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16881781466502273314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-77838913084256363962015-09-22T06:21:32.474+01:002015-09-22T06:21:32.474+01:00Agent: Good point about T shirt slogans. I guess y...Agent: Good point about T shirt slogans. I guess you're right that slogans encouraging unhealthy activities aren't a good idea in a school setting. But who's to say if shorts are "too short"? That's the sort of rule that leads to endless disputes and grievances. I would have thought most pupils would dress fairly sensibly of their own accord, but then I haven't been in any schools recently....Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-70296826719124309802015-09-22T00:38:13.424+01:002015-09-22T00:38:13.424+01:00I actually think dress codes are necessary. Not in...I actually think dress codes are necessary. Not insanely strict ones, but I do think there should be some minimal level of modesty. I think if your ass is showing, your shorts are too short, for instance. And I also approve of the rule my kids' school had that you couldn't wear t-shirts with drug, alcohol, or tobacco references or with obscenities. What's wrong with asking for a little decorum in an educational setting?Secret Agent Womanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07564690116156754219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-47855693507130646952015-09-15T09:52:56.081+01:002015-09-15T09:52:56.081+01:00A woman living in Iran, writing in the Guardian to...A woman living in Iran, writing in the Guardian today, says that women wearing a hijab or chador are just as sexually harassed as other women. Wearing "modest" clothing doesn't deter men in the slightest.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-11818361771411548862015-09-14T21:31:29.690+01:002015-09-14T21:31:29.690+01:00Suburbia: I know the article you're referring ...Suburbia: I know the article you're referring to. It's significant that dress codes are applied overwhelmingly to girls rather than boys, and that so much of a girl's body is seen as "indecent" or "distracting". Clearly the objectors are sexualising girls' bodies and just revealing their own "inappropriate" behaviour.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-51592165403011669582015-09-14T21:10:08.448+01:002015-09-14T21:10:08.448+01:00I'm with you on this one Nick.
I recently read...I'm with you on this one Nick.<br />I recently read an article about dress codes for women saying that excessive rules on dress contained the myth that women are dangerous! Suburbiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05352465945711496612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-18365453043425860752015-09-13T15:55:36.180+01:002015-09-13T15:55:36.180+01:00I have the ideal answer to all the school uniform ...I have the ideal answer to all the school uniform controversy. Both boys and girls should wear dungarees at all times.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-1837996039433495802015-09-13T15:54:22.574+01:002015-09-13T15:54:22.574+01:00www: Actually I thought most of my blogmates would...www: Actually I thought most of my blogmates would take the same view as you, but I was very much mistaken! Perhaps pupils in the schools you went to stuck strictly to the guidelines and there wasn't any big controversy?Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-59621032414812971062015-09-13T15:51:20.437+01:002015-09-13T15:51:20.437+01:00Tammy: That's totally ridiculous, having to we...Tammy: That's totally ridiculous, having to wear jeans on the way to school because of the biting cold, and then having to take them off when you got there! And as you say, how distracting is it being frozen stiff?<br /><br />Ramana: No, I don't quite understand. Do you mean a multicultural society will look for clothing that brings people together and erases cultural difference?Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-89958953133455494772015-09-13T15:18:09.928+01:002015-09-13T15:18:09.928+01:00Am I the lone voice of dissent? I find uniforms a ...Am I the lone voice of dissent? I find uniforms a great leveler of social and monetary structures. I've always felt sorry for the kids who are indoctrinated into labels with the other kids wanting the Gap crap, etc.<br /><br />I wore uniforms, as did my daughter and my granddaughter attended a progressive school that banned labels of any kind.<br /><br />I find it kept the school focus on learning rather than a clothing competition.<br /><br />Oh well, to each his own.<br /><br />XO<br />WWWWisewebwomanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15281689872840844191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-2036247320212769192015-09-13T14:16:49.403+01:002015-09-13T14:16:49.403+01:00We don't have this problem here because we do ...We don't have this problem here because we do not a multicultural society trying to bring about some kind of uniformity. You don't need me to elaborate do you?Rummuserhttp://www.rummuser.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-10228475307089251772015-09-13T13:47:02.561+01:002015-09-13T13:47:02.561+01:00i never wore a uniform.
but i'm like jean in t...i never wore a uniform.<br />but i'm like jean in that every single school i went to throughout my educational years strictly forbid girls to wear any kind of clothes except skirts and dresses. <br />RIDICULOUS. i have stood at a bus stop wearing a pair of jeans under my dress in 40 below temperatures with a snow bank as high as my head ...<br />only to have to go to the lockers and remove my jeans before going to class. how stupid was that?<br />sometimes the heat would go out in our building. the girls were freezing of course ... with bare legs. <br />talk about a distraction to learning? <br />LOL. i sound a bit bitter don't i. tammy jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16568939993585811311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-6220655937355036942015-09-11T07:59:41.068+01:002015-09-11T07:59:41.068+01:00Jean: It was a major step forward when pants becam...Jean: It was a major step forward when pants became acceptable for girls and women. Apart from anything else, pants are more practical for any kind of physical task. But I can still remember my father saying "I'm the one who wears the pants in this house".Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-6508648925563639152015-09-11T06:48:30.551+01:002015-09-11T06:48:30.551+01:00when I was a kid girls weren't allowed to wear...when I was a kid girls weren't allowed to wear pants at school. Even at Stanford we had to wear dresses or skirts on the main part of campus, except on weekends as I recall. How archaic is that?!CheerfulMonkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00934008738777906970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-39758944986163316552015-09-10T22:15:19.838+01:002015-09-10T22:15:19.838+01:00Bijoux: Yoga pants? I guess leggings are our equiv...Bijoux: Yoga pants? I guess leggings are our equivalent. Showing your figure quite explicitly - whatever next? And what's with the hats and coats thing? Suppose the school is freezing cold - how are you supposed to get warm?<br /><br />An unusual charity fundraiser! We could do the same here. How about £1 to wear a miniskirt or crotch-hugging pants?<br /><br />Susie: You're right, it must be very uncomfortable. But beach outfits must be very welcome in sweltering hot weather.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-57997261783309444242015-09-10T22:02:11.258+01:002015-09-10T22:02:11.258+01:00That boy with the tight trousers? Isn't that ...That boy with the tight trousers? Isn't that extremely uncomfortable?<br />We don't have uniforms here. The girls look like they should be at the beach sometimes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-57631319636664579962015-09-10T21:15:45.147+01:002015-09-10T21:15:45.147+01:00It's often in the news here as well. I'm a...It's often in the news here as well. I'm anti-uniform with Ursula. It reminds me of cults or something!<br /><br />Disputes here seem to be on whether girls should be allowed to wear yoga pants. There are also dumb rules about not wearing hats or coats in class (the latter as a concern about hiding weapons). What annoys me is that school clubs, with administration's permission, will have special hat or sport pants day where kids can pay $1 to wear the forbidden item and the money goes to charity. How dumb is that?Bijouxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05788630004051883635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-57393922089900581632015-09-10T19:54:37.048+01:002015-09-10T19:54:37.048+01:00Sorry, Nick, I must be more careful about my copy&...Sorry, Nick, I must be more careful about my copy> I am the LEAST "in favour of school uniforms".<br /><br />UUrsulanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-84879587031224420022015-09-10T19:34:06.990+01:002015-09-10T19:34:06.990+01:00Ursula: For some reason I suspected you might be i...Ursula: For some reason I suspected you might be in favour of school uniforms. Obviously way off track there! It seems to me that mini skirts, hot pants etc are only "indecent" if you choose to see them that way. Interesting though that mini skirts used to be commonplace in Northern Irish schools until recently but have now been banned.<br /><br />As you say, sometimes conformity is the line of least resistance, that is if you don't mind being thought of (no doubt mistakenly) as lacking any personality of your own.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-7856246700208231312015-09-10T19:33:30.609+01:002015-09-10T19:33:30.609+01:00Helen: Funnily enough, it seems to be female head ...Helen: Funnily enough, it seems to be female head teachers as much as male. And yes, isn't the disapproval often just as arbitrary as the snap judgments at discos?<br /><br />Jennifer: I like it!Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-52179303976510087632015-09-10T18:24:39.504+01:002015-09-10T18:24:39.504+01:00I am writing as someone who made it into my school...I am writing as someone who made it into my school's paper: "Don't blush, avert your eyes. Here Ursula comes." Mini skirts, hot pants. All at age fourteen, all with my mother's blessings (in fact she bought the damn things for me). I didn't know (no bullshit) what the fuck they were on about. As they say these days: "Whatever".<br /><br />Mind you that was not in England, the country of the uniform.<br /><br />When the Angel was little I told him I'd fight his corner if he didn't want to wear that blasted uniform. Despite the fact - or maybe because - he very much knows his own mind he didn't give a toss. Uniform? Fine. Tie at age five? Fine. Oh did my (female and British) friends laugh. Yeah well. Sometimes conformity is the way of least resistance.<br /><br />Anyway, enough of me and my son. Uniform stinks to high heaven. Just think of the word itself. UNI FORM. So we are all in the same mould. Excellent preparation for working life to come. <br /><br />Anyway, Nick, thanks for letting me steam off on a subject I truly do feel passionate about.<br /><br />One last thought: Too tight? Too tight for what? Life will eventually expand and descend with its reality.<br /><br />UUrsulahttp://bitchontheblog.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com