tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post7394114395428750011..comments2024-03-28T07:49:04.960+00:00Comments on nickhereandnow: Dog fightnickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10472673041193755894noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-41926963262345302092012-07-23T13:01:22.846+01:002012-07-23T13:01:22.846+01:00Baino: Exactly. I can't understand why the hum...Baino: Exactly. I can't understand why the humane alternative wasn't acceptable to Belfast Council. It seems like sheer malice.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-88727140562765281402012-07-23T09:12:33.702+01:002012-07-23T09:12:33.702+01:00Well not letting the American take the dog is just...Well not letting the American take the dog is just bureaucracy gone mad. WE have similar restrictions on 'dangerous' breeds but I doubt we'd put one down given a more humane alternative. Get a labrador...they'll lick you to death.Bainohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14156193098088048637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-42414382362068015172012-07-19T08:20:21.080+01:002012-07-19T08:20:21.080+01:00Paul - You're right, any dog that's near a...Paul - You're right, any dog that's near a child needs to be watched very closely, however safe the breed is thought to be. Even the most docile dog can sometimes turn aggressive.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-37138201349450814882012-07-18T23:43:54.712+01:002012-07-18T23:43:54.712+01:00It's true that the Dangerous Dogs Act was rush...It's true that the Dangerous Dogs Act was rushed and flawed, and that dogs I'd cross the road to avoid may not fall within its remit.<br />I also know a lovely gentle Staffy - that I'd still never leave alone with a child.<br />It's a sad story - people who don't love dogs don't get the strength of bonds between them and people - and are prone to dismiss them too quickly.<br />But when it's people, especially children v. dogs - I'd err on the side of caution.<br />Whatever happened to the old solution to dogs who bit police officers? A spell south of the border.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-41785988602117068642012-07-17T07:33:22.167+01:002012-07-17T07:33:22.167+01:00Simon: What you say about temperament testing is i...Simon: What you say about temperament testing is interesting. Clearly popular ideas about which breeds are dangerous and which are safe aren't always borne out by the facts.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-45214317282800819452012-07-16T22:22:03.705+01:002012-07-16T22:22:03.705+01:00I'm not sure why the dog wasn't exempted a...I'm not sure why the dog wasn't exempted and rehomed. There are legal issues and conspiracy theories that abound despite it being an available option. On a side note I don't think some breeds are more inherently dangerous than others. For me that's a general and widely seen misconception that has caused an issue with certain breeds. If you look at the pass rate in temperament testing by the American Temperament Test Society who test dogs on their reliability around humans, American Pit Bull Terriers, Anerican Staffordshire Terriers and Staffordshire Bull Terriers all have a higher pass rate than Golden Retrievers and a whole host of other dogs generally regarded as "safe" family pets.Simonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-5630534616268487872012-07-16T19:36:24.529+01:002012-07-16T19:36:24.529+01:00www - Absolutely. Get your dog properly trained, h...www - Absolutely. Get your dog properly trained, however long that takes, and then keep a close watch on it at all times so it isn't a public danger. Is that so hard to understand?Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-47032097179545600162012-07-16T15:49:55.226+01:002012-07-16T15:49:55.226+01:00Jeebus, Nick, I have only the one opinion on this ...Jeebus, Nick, I have only the one opinion on this and that is; you dog owners out there, train and keep your dog under strict control at all times.<br />Dogs get a bad name from bad owners not from the breed per see. if you get a volatile unpredictable breed then it should not be exposed to others, particularly children and leashed at all times.<br />It is stupidly simple but dog owners are the ones who should be licensed not the poor dog. My rescue dog took me 2 YEARS to trains. <br />People should not get involved with animals unless they adhere to strict regulations.<br />/rant.<br />XO<br />WWWWisewebwomanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15281689872840844191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-42943491868891883352012-07-16T10:06:04.135+01:002012-07-16T10:06:04.135+01:00Scarlet: Jeez, that sounds like a really horrifyin...Scarlet: Jeez, that sounds like a really horrifying attack. Lucky you weren't more seriously hurt.<br /><br />Good point about children being left more often with a "friendly" breed, which is why that breed might have distorted injury statistics.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-51211820003296582592012-07-16T08:14:49.963+01:002012-07-16T08:14:49.963+01:00Kylie is right about the Golden Retriever stats - ...Kylie is right about the Golden Retriever stats - I've read this too.<br />People are more likely to leave children with a breed they perceive as being friendly - hence the stats.<br />A child should never be left alone with any dog... and I have the scars to prove it.<br />At the age of 4 I had my top lip bitten badly by a poodle. Hospital and stitches featured.<br />I can still pout but my top lip is now thinner than it ought to be... oh... and I nearly lost an eye.<br /><br />SxMs Scarlethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00449626572478125088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-61002800727101139332012-07-16T07:48:31.700+01:002012-07-16T07:48:31.700+01:00Kylie: Anyway, I think the point is that a dog'...Kylie: Anyway, I think the point is that a dog's breed doesn't necessarily mean it's dangerous. As I said earlier, it seems a lot depends on how the dog is handled.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-71191334092345211652012-07-16T00:02:26.192+01:002012-07-16T00:02:26.192+01:00sorry, i cant quote my source nick! i saw that bit...sorry, i cant quote my source nick! i saw that bit of info on a tv show some time ago, i think after a little girl was killed in a dog attack.kyliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08964475783207438103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-75636846598368299042012-07-15T22:52:23.441+01:002012-07-15T22:52:23.441+01:00Simon: So what are these theories about why the ad...Simon: So what are these theories about why the adoption offer was refused? Or are they all too contentious to repeat?Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-13163087575056248322012-07-15T22:51:09.712+01:002012-07-15T22:51:09.712+01:00Bijoux: I've lost count of the number of times...Bijoux: I've lost count of the number of times dogs chase after me or pester me and the owners just mutter some feeble apology. They should train their dogs properly.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-24793428771305008662012-07-15T22:28:44.061+01:002012-07-15T22:28:44.061+01:00I've about had it recently with dog owners. S...I've about had it recently with dog owners. Some man actually swore at me because HIS dog ran after me on a city sidewalk and I yelled at the dog to stop.Bijouxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05788630004051883635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-42869712923806584342012-07-15T20:58:00.973+01:002012-07-15T20:58:00.973+01:00Simon - Thanks again. If that's the case, that...Simon - Thanks again. If that's the case, that a dog is deemed dangerous simply by its appearance, that's obviously absurd. Like saying a human being is dangerous because of their appearance!Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-48954242189798566432012-07-15T17:34:19.942+01:002012-07-15T17:34:19.942+01:00I'm not a friend of the family, but I've o...I'm not a friend of the family, but I've observed the case for two years since he was seized. The reason why the DNA profile wasn't accepted in court was because it is solely dependent on appearance. Parentage, DNA and registration documents are not taken into consideration. The decision to release him to another home was purely down to the councils discretion, why they didn't, I don't know, but there's plenty of theories out there as to why they didn't. As far as I know, she was aware of the parentage when she got him, the DNA profile authenticated that. The problem with the DDA, is that it presumes that a dog of certain measurements is a dangerous dog by appearance and not temperament or act.Simonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-13180535479517055642012-07-15T15:48:41.706+01:002012-07-15T15:48:41.706+01:00Kylie: Most bites come from the Golden Retriever? ...Kylie: Most bites come from the Golden Retriever? I can't find any confirmation of that. What's your source?<br /><br />I really don't understand why the adoption offer wasn't taken up.<br /><br />Simon: Thanks for that. Are you a friend of the family, by any chance? So you're saying she bought the dog at such a young age she couldn't have known for certain what breed it was until the DNA test was done?Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-37604406275723644912012-07-15T15:35:43.909+01:002012-07-15T15:35:43.909+01:00Monk: The newspaper report said her dogs were DNA ...Monk: The newspaper report said her dogs were DNA registered, but I'm not sure what that means. Simon (below) says a DNA test indicated Lennox was an American Bulldog/Labrador cross. In which case, why was this not accepted by the council?<br /><br />John D: That's pretty draconian. I see it's a response to some serious attacks by dogs, though dog experts question whether the new law will actually reduce attacks.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-85177268415926143482012-07-15T11:53:19.534+01:002012-07-15T11:53:19.534+01:00Lennox was an American Bulldog x Labrador. Carolin...Lennox was an American Bulldog x Labrador. Caroline Barnes had A DNA test done that confirmed that. As far saying she should have bought a legal breed is concerned, have a look at pictures of 8 week old bull breed puppies and crosses of them. They are pretty much indistinguishable whether a legal breed or otherwise, so it's unlikely that any purchaser would be able to identify an illegal breed. In fact the police do not attempt to identify a dog as being illegal under 9 months of age.Simonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-32212476181948400622012-07-15T10:23:51.891+01:002012-07-15T10:23:51.891+01:00funnily enough, the majority of dog bites come fro...funnily enough, the majority of dog bites come from the adorable, trusted golden retriever.<br /><br />it's pretty disgraceful that there was a willing adopter for the dog but bureaucracy refused.<br /><br />as for people choosing "dangerous" dogs, well the dog was already here, somebody had to have it.kyliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08964475783207438103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-32868567901457502582012-07-15T01:21:38.579+01:002012-07-15T01:21:38.579+01:00October 7 2011
" ...A new law was implemented...October 7 2011<br />" ...A new law was implemented in Victoria, Australia last week that will lead to the seizure and killing of any dog fitting the criteria for an unregistered restricted breed found after the law goes into effect.<br /><br />Targeted breeds include the American pit bull terrier, perro de presa canario, dogo Argentino, Japanese tosa and fila Brasileiro. Anyone with a look-alike will need will need to show papers or a certificate from a veterinarian as proof.<br /><br />In addition to registering their dogs, owners will have to prove that their dogs are spayed/neutered, microchipped, kept in an inescapable enclosure, muzzled and leashed off of their property and accompanied by someone at least 17 years old. Owners may also be fined up to $4,885 if they lose control of their dog and $2,442 if their dog escapes, or they move without notifying authorities, according to the AP....."<br /><br />Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/new-australian-law-deadly-for-pit-bulls.html#ixzz20e7Ci0C7JohnDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00608216150220329902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-61035282441098149492012-07-14T23:00:16.846+01:002012-07-14T23:00:16.846+01:00Fortunately in the U.S. there are groups fighting ...Fortunately in the U.S. there are groups fighting anti-pit-bull laws. They're not always successful but sometimes they are. <br /><br />It's too bad the owner didn't get a DNA test. You often can't tell a dog's heritage by its looks. <br /><br />I do think it's stupid that the dog trainer in the U.S. couldn't have taken Lennox. It would have done a lot to defuse the situation.Cheerful Monkhttp://cheerfulmonk.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-56054996960533271472012-07-14T22:44:12.173+01:002012-07-14T22:44:12.173+01:00Macy - Hmmm, but how do we know which are the wron...Macy - Hmmm, but how do we know which are the wrong hands? I've heard the argument that any dog can be dangerous if it's handled in the wrong way, but isn't it still true that some breeds are inherently more dangerous than others?<br /><br />I still don't understand, though, why Lennox couldn't have gone to the dog trainer in the States.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242994126386706.post-25687851036609888782012-07-14T21:24:25.747+01:002012-07-14T21:24:25.747+01:00Putting a dog down, even a dog that could be dang...Putting a dog down, even a dog that <i> could be dangerous in the wrong hands</i> when there is another perfectly good alternative is just plain wrong in my books.Macyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16117141586263456823noreply@blogger.com